"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell
Check out Chris Holmes' website for a more in-depth analysis of the videos, witnesses, etc. on 9/11:http://www.zeropoint.ca/FabledAirplanes.html
I saw September Clues and that was all I ever needed to see. 9/11 is the greatest hoax since 'The Hoax'. (I think you know which other JEWZI event I'm referring to.)
Spingola Speaks 03 / 22 / 2012Guest: Christopher Holmes - September Clues; Jules Naudet's First Plane Shothttp://k004.kiwi6.com/hotlink/6iuzdaq12e/spingola_speaks_2012_03_22.mp3Charles Giuliani Interviews Christopher Holmes, Ph. D - 09 / 06 / 2011http://mp3.oraclebroadcasting.com/Truth_Hertz/Truth_Hertz.2011-09-06_16k.mp3Christopher Holmes - March 14, 2011 - Real Deal with Jim Fetzerhttp://nwopodcast.com/fetz/media/jim%20fetzer%20real%20deal-chris%20holmes%20fabled%20airplanes.mp3"I am, obviously, well pleased of your comprehensive analysis of my documentary, as it is just the sort of 'peer-review' I was hoping would emerge in support of my longstanding research. However, it would appear you have stopped short of looking into the full and updated research findings as published on my website http://www.septemberclues.info : in the last two years or so, and with the help of several researcher colleagues, we have determined beyond reasonable doubt that the alleged "3000" victims of the day were, by and large (if not all), fictitious identities 'generated' by a digital database. In all logic, there was no "added-value" for the perps (only massive, dire aggravation!) in murdering thousands of Wall street bankers, brokers or insurance agents in the twin towers - which were more likely kept empty, rigged for demolition, and brought down without any human loss. ( see: THE MEMORIAL SCAMS --Simon Shack, 2011http://www.septemberclues.info/vicsims_photo-analyses.htmShack: I would really like to hear anyone challenging this finding: http://gifsoup.com/view5/3923601/isaacshadow1-h.gifCan a shadow suddenly detach from an object - in the real world?I will be patiently waiting for anyone wishing to explain what we see in the above "jumper" imagery. Until then, I will rest my case: ALL of these 9/11 images are phony, digital contraptions. GAME OVER!Source video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZJXNdhkhCY (at 9:12)http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=501&p=2372433&hilit=jumper+shadow#p2372433Ace Baker -9-11 Video Fakery(Harzakani)-Dynamic Duo- 07 Nov 2007.mp3 http://www.checktheevidence.com/audio/911/Ace%20Baker%20-9-11%20Video%20Fakery(Harzakani)-Dynamic%20Duo-%2007%20Nov%202007.mp3Ace Baker - 9-11 Video Fakery - Dynamic Duo - 27 Sep 2007.mp3 http://www.checktheevidence.com/audio/911/Ace%20Baker%20-%209-11%20Video%20Fakery%20-%20Dynamic%20Duo%20-%2027%20Sep%202007.mp3Ace Baker - 911 Video Fakery - Dynamic Duo - 18 Dec 2007.mp3 http://www.checktheevidence.com/audio/911/Ace%20Baker%20-%20911%20Video%20Fakery%20-%20Dynamic%20Duo%20-%2018%20Dec%202007.mp3Ace Baker - 911 Video Fakery and Fakery of Hutchison Effect - Dynamic Duo - 27 Feb 2008.mp3 http://www.checktheevidence.com/audio/911/Ace%20Baker%20-%20911%20Video%20Fakery%20and%20Fakery%20of%20Hutchison%20Effect%20-%20Dynamic%20Duo%20-%2027%20Feb%202008.mp3Ace Baker - Media Fakery Timeline Dynamic Duo - 15 Jan 2008.mp3 http://www.checktheevidence.com/audio/911/Ace%20Baker%20-%20Media%20Fakery%20Timeline%20Dynamic%20Duo%20-%2015%20Jan%202008.mp3Ace Baker - Video Fakery and the $100000 Hutchison Effect Challenge - 26 Aug 2008 - Dynamic Duo.mp3 http://www.checktheevidence.com/audio/911/Ace%20Baker%20-%20Video%20Fakery%20and%20the%20$100000%20Hutchison%20Effect%20Challenge%20-%2026%20Aug%202008%20-%20Dynamic%20Duo.mp3Ace Baker 9-11 Video Fakery - Jim Fetzer DD - 09 Sep 08.mp3 http://www.checktheevidence.com/audio/911/Ace%20Baker%209-11%20Video%20Fakery%20-%20Jim%20Fetzer%20DD%20-%2009%20Sep%2008.mp3Jim Fetzer - Ace Baker - 9-11 Disinfo etc - Expansions - Sofia 29 Aug 2008.mp3 http://www.checktheevidence.com/audio/911/Jim%20Fetzer%20-%20Ace%20Baker%20-%209-11%20Disinfo%20etc%20-%20Expansions%20-%20Sofia%2029%20Aug%202008.mp3Jim Fetzer - Ace Baker - Suicide Fakery - Real Deal 07 Jan 2009.mp3 http://www.checktheevidence.com/audio/911/Jim%20Fetzer%20-%20Ace%20Baker%20-%20Suicide%20Fakery%20-%20Real%20Deal%2007%20Jan%202009.mp3~Negentropic
@ Anon, thanks, I completely agree. September Clues is very powerful, and they make a 100% slam dunk case: all the videos that we saw on 9/11 were faked. All the "eye witnesses" were scripted media personalities or were somehow connected to the establishment. The entire thing was a PSYOP.@ Negentropic, thanks for the links! That must have taken a while, lol!That whole Ace Baker suicide thing was very weird... but he has done some good work. What is with all these guys and gals in the 9/11 community fighting with each other? Actually, everyone seems to fight with each other in any sort of movement, it's childish and I'm sick of it. What do you think of Phil Jayhan and Let's Roll 9/11? They have great research, too, which confirms much of Shack's research into the "victims" and videos.
Fabled Airplanes & Scripted Witnesses http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVzz2dM5GcQ(This is Part 1)_____________-Fabled Airplanes & Scripted Witnesses Part II http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjXXFFZSUQU________________________Fabled Airplanes & Scripted Witnesses Part III http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhy1sOTSa2M________Thanks for posting this. I was feeling down because there is no truthful 9-11 person speaking at any 9-11 commemoration event in NYC or anywhere in the country that I know of. At least this great blog puts out some real 9-11 truth in proper commemoration.I just want to reiterate that the whole disgusting Jones / Gage "Explosive Evidence" video gang and thermite sniffers all to a one will not discuss planes or video fakery. They suppress any talk of that in their hideous deceitfulness.Here we have great evidence that the entire news media was in up to their necks on this atrocity. I think the media is owned by the Zionist filth that also runs the CIA, FBI and entire U.S. government.So, these great 3 videos lend perfect support to the exposure of the strong Zionist people participation in the perpetration of 9-11.I love this guys comments. Like about the pixel bleed. Funny.I have never heard of Christopher Homes Ph.D. but I have heard of Zero Point Productions. Will have to go to the site and see about this person.What was interesting is that there was a part on one of these videos that show an "amateur's video" of the impossible sharp angle the "Plane" was approaching the building and how that angle differed sharply from the other TV videos we saw. I would have liked to know much more about the documented source of that "amateur video". Simon Shack contends that they had the technological ability to make it impoosible to film video of the event. Supposedly there is some device where you can make video recording impossible within a certain range. So here we are told we have an amateur video so we need to know about that amateur video. But again, I have sort of back off all this WTC buildings "evidence" gathering. It all just goes round and round and nothing ever gets settled and established as real evidence.
Thanks for the comment, I agree with you. I think all the live shots were definitely faked, maybe in different ways, but all faked. Same thing with the "amateur" videos - all very obviously faked, all in different ways. I'm starting to agree with Dr. Fetzer about the hologram aspect to what allegedly happened in New York... they definitely had the technology to pull it off, and it would explain why were are some legitimate witnesses saying they saw a plane. But who knows? Bottom line: 9/11 was a staged Hollywood style PSYOP. There is no doubt about that.
Gosh, these vids convinced me of the no-plane idea. Thanks for posting them, John.I wonder if WRH's Rivero had anything to do with the fakery -- he seems to "protest too much" against the no-planes-at-the-pentagon meme AND he worked in video special effects. You'd think he'd see these videos and recognize what happened. On the other hand, he posts a lot of anti-govt material....hmmm.EV
Anon, yeah I was the same way on the no-planes. guess we won't know for sure until we have the perpetrator's balls' in a vise. Mikey Rivero is real odd with his ridiculous insistence that a plane hit the pentagon. But then again, Mikey is doing his "Nazi" boogie all the damn time so he probably doesn't realize that he almost never says the word Jew and has yet to make any effort to educate his readers about the LONG and UNDENIABLE history of Jewish criminality. If he was flogging a WRH puke bucket, I might bite.
Rivero's a ridiculously obvious gatekeeper in more ways than one but he gets a free pass because of his very strong & unrelenting anti-Zionism. I started out with daily visits to Rivero's site some 12 years ago but now hardly go to his site even once a month. As with all advanced shillology: whether he does it deliberately or as a result of unconscious psychological defense mechanisms in order to rationalize a certain world-view to himself, the result is the same. Alex Jones, Dylan Avery, Jason Bermass, Jeff Rense, Michael Rivero, Ryan Dawson, Anthony Lawson, Carolyn Yeager, Daryl Bradford Smith, David Icke (not his forum but his lizard-face highness himself), Jack Blood, Adrian Salbuchi, every single host on Oracle Broadcasting except for Dennis Fetcho & Charles Giuliani, every single host on RBN except for Deanna Spingola and Rick Adams, etc. basically 80% of the half-truth movement either deliberately gatekeeps, mostly ignores or perfunctorily acknowledges and tries to steer people away from No-Planes / Video Fakery and you knoew what the hilarious part is ? Even with this total freeze-out, they still can't get rid of it ! It gets more popular every day. That's because facts proven beyond a reasonable doubt aren't going anywhere to accomodate people's emotional needs & little ego-trips. Every day new people become sick of unquestioning comformity to the alternative media gurus agendas and ready to handle the truth wherever it may lead. ~Negentropic MK VII
I think we can quibble about how 9/11 was done, WWII issues, etc. The gatekeepers are those who steer people away from the Jewish issue.How is Yeager a gatekeeper? How are Smith or Salbuchi or Lawson gatekeepers. They all do important work that highlights the fact that it's Jewish power that's running the show.I hope you're not suggesting that "no-planes" is the litmus test. That would be pure spamloaf.
I don't know if i'd call anyone listed above a "gatekeeper" I just think many people listed above haven't quite figured out this whole "no plane" thing. I will say that anyone listed above that is outright hostile to people who explore this aspect of 9/11 is not helping the cause, that's for sure. And plenty of people listed above fall into that category...Same regarding Hitler and WWII. Some people just don't have this issue sorted out, they haven't researched it. If you don't know what you're talking about re Hitler, WWII, or even the plane aspect of 9/11, don't dismiss it or become hostile to those who do! We all need to keep an open mind and hear all issues out. There aren't a lot of people willing or able to do that, unfortunately.
Fine, but I think the "gatekeeper" label is way too strong. It effectively steers people away. Rivero is gatekeeper because he avoids the Jewish issue. The others have the gate wide open. Perfect understanding of 911 or WWII is not necessary to fix our basic problem.
Agreed. My point is that when people get all pissed off or just dismiss the "no plane" stuff, immediately labeling it "disinfo" or whatever, it is counterproductive, anti-intellectual, and most certainly not helping our cause.
@ the anon who wrote: >I think we can quibble about how 9/11 was done, WWII issues, etc. The gatekeepers are those who steer people away from the Jewish issue.How is Yeager a gatekeeper? How are Smith or Salbuchi or Lawson gatekeepers. They all do important work that highlights the fact that it's Jewish power that's running the show.I hope you're not suggesting that "no-planes" is the litmus test. That would be pure spamloaf." <Well you can keep hoping because that's exactly what I'm suggesting. The 'Jew-Issue' does not trump facts. Facts trump the 'Jew Issue' at all times. The very reason the 'Jew-Issue' is THE central issue is precisely because so many FACTS have led to it, including No-Planes / Media Fakery facts. Facts are the issue at all times & lying-by-ommission is no better than any other lie.All those people mentioned and especially Lawson and Daryl Bradford Smith are straight up conscious or unconscious gatekeepers and all they're interested in is pushing their agenda by any means necessary, ends justify the means, and the facts are just a nuisance to be stepped on and squashed whenever they get in the way. Well, the end justifies the means is the principle of scoundrels, a totally corrupt way of doing things. World communism was an example of the Ends Justify the Means doctrine in action on a massive & murderous scale. There are many litmus tests: After the anti-Zio litmus comes the Name-the-Jew litmus and after that, of course, the holohoax litmus. Most people that pass the holohoax litmus are pretty reliable but not always. Sometimes they only pass the holohoax litmus to then just keep bashing away on Hitler and the NSDAP as if they've learned nothing. Their end of being able to push their agenda forward without being vilified as 'supremacists' justifies their corrupt means of doing their disservice to history, facts and human reason. Then a little further down the road you have the No-Planes Video Fakery litmus followed by the Uncle Adolf litmus. One or the other can come first but if you spend years deliberately ignoring one or the other despite having already passed the holohoax litmus, then you end up a shill by default since you've gone over to the corrupt ends-justify-the-means paradigm in spite of your former stance against it. Uncle Adolf litmus is basically the acknowledgement through researched historical facts that Hitler was not the evil figure the ends-justify-the-means doctrine has made him out to be by a 60 year campaign of black propaganda but actually much more honorable than Churchill, Eisenhower, Roosevelt and Wilson combined and it's ok to speak well of him. The opposite of that is people who have passed the Uncle Adolf litmus but refuse the No-Planes litmus as irrelevant. A significant portion of the WN movement fit into this category. FACTS are never irrelevant. Facts are the key to uprooting the corruption of lies from peoples lives, the corruption of the ends-justify-the-means. And what could be more important than facts that are ABSOLUTELY KEY to solving a massive worldwide fraud that has led to many wars and millions of deaths, not to mention an almost complete desecration of people's individual liberties.~Return of the Son of Negentropic
Nonsense. How the 9/11 job was done is secondary. Endlessly dicking around and arguing about what happened to the towers is not productive.The only thing that generates any force is waking people up to a) Israel and its whores did 911b) Jews run the banking system which is starving the planetc) Jews run the media which keeps people asleepd) every other major story is bullshit until proven otherwisee) Jews have been doing this for a long fuckin' timeDelaney said on the Truth Militia show that the video had been swtiched an mislabeled. He also said that the folks working the no-planes (Wood, et al) are suspect. I have no idea if he's right but it's entirely possible. Chain of evidence.People smearing serious researchers such as Yeager, Smith, Salbuchi etc because the ain't down with the no-planes theory are way, way off base.The only fact that the people need to know is that Jews are running the show and running every nation into the ground.
@If they're not 'down with No-Planes' after watching both "September Clues" & all 8 parts of "9-11 The Great American Psy-Opera" & "Fabled Airplanes" & reading Jim Fetzer's complete point-by-point demolition of Anthony Lawson's piss-poor arguments inhttp://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/08/03/911-an-open-letter-to-anthony-lawson-about-absurdities/then they are either missing half their brains and / or are deliberately gatekeeping, LYING about what they know to be true, to keep their agenda propped up. If that's the case then they should at least be honest enough to shut the hell up when the subject of 9-11 comes up the way David 'even-my-dog-is-white' Duke does, instead of talking about planes and 3000 dead. Didn't I already explain? Ends Justifies the Means - the scumbag doctrine - If you adopt it then you might as well become a Jew yourself because that's their favorite doctrine of all time. Why would you want to be 'down with that' ? And why would I or anybody else want to be 'down' with anybody that was 'down with' lying & falsifying evidence as a way of life in the name of 'combating liars' & 'exposing the truth' ? Not productive to what ? Proven No-Planes / Media Fakery points directly to the 5 networks which are owned lock-stock-&-barrel by Jews. All that stuff about who runs the media and the banking system was already common knowledge to Jew-wise people decades before 9-11 happened. Ezra Pound, Eustace Mullins, Henry Ford, Hitler, Lindbergh, Nesta Webster, Charles Coughlin and many others exposed that. It's a given that NOTHING whatsoever of any serious import to the country's political direction can be done without the OWNERS of the nation being in on it. If you want 9-11 to wake up non-Jew-wise people to Jew control then you sabotage the validity of all the rest of whatever proven discoveries you might have about which Jew was doing what in what position of power when you throw it in with a big fat fairy tale about the core issue of the planes. Why would you try to produce already discredited fake evidence ? Facts are always productive when proven, bullshit is never productive even when you 'win.' 'Winning is Everything' is another way of saying Ends Justify the Means.And by the way, I'm sick of Salbuchi's BS about the 'French Resistance' against the Not-Sees, every time he goes on David 'even-my-dog-is-white' Duke's show. I thought of all the people out there, Salbuchi would have passed the Uncle-Adolf litmus test. Apparently not. V for Bullshit: Alex Jones and the practically non-existent French Resistance: http://concen.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=37947Adrian Salbuchi Opens A Can of Mental Whup-Ass on the Corbett Report http://concen.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=41042~Negentropic MK V
Let me make it even easier for you: Planes or No-Planes is about as central to the 9-11 lie as Execution Gas Chambers or No Execution Gas Chambers is to the holycost lieIf, after watching "David Cole at Auschwitz," "Last Days Days of the Big Lie" and "One Third of the holycost," you wouldn't maintain that yes, the official story of the holycost is a gigantic hoax perpetrated by Jews but it's irrelevant whether the 'gas chamber' shown to people at Auschwitz today is real or a fake, whether gas chambers were used for killing people or notthen After watching "September Clues," "9-11 The Great American Psy-Opera" & "Fabled Airplanes," you shouldn't maintain that yes, the official story of 9-11 is a gigantic hoax perpetrated by the Jews who run the media and the U.S. government but it's irrelevant whether they used real planes or faked them on video.~Negentropic
Negen, how it was done is irrelevant to overcoming the fundamental problem. Attempting to turn this into a litmus test, is a tactical blunder, at best.There is increasing awareness of the Jewish question. the most important thing is to get people in the door on 9/11, the USS Liberty, the media, banking, etc.Planes or no planes is a fine topic to investigate but unessential and divisive. Even smells like Jewish herring.
Deliberate dishonesty and lying-by-ommission when someone knows better is never a good 'tactic.' In fact, in the long run it's the worst tactic. Sorry to see that you regard catering to people's mass-media induced superstitions about a factually proven, massively fraudulent event by ignoring the central proof and pushing the central superstition as a 'good tactic.' And let's stop with that silly name calling about who smells like 'the Jew' when you run out of arguments, will you ? We're not in junior high school here. If acting on principle is divisive, then divisive any honest person should be until his or her dying day. A blind person can see that, why can't you ? "I do not want the peace which passeth understanding, I want the understanding which bringeth peace." ~ Helen Keller "An honest man when confronted with the truth will cease being mistaken or cease being honest." -- Thomas JeffersonSimon Shack Audio Interview - 04 / 08 / 2012http://www.therealnewsonline.com/uploads/6/5/2/9/6529494/4-8-12.mp3~Negentropic
Thanks Negentropic! I just listened to that Simon Shack show today, wholly shit, I think he's right... Fetzer just interviewed someone called "OneBornFree" with this description: "Were ALL the 9/11 videos faked?"http://radiofetzer.blogspot.com/2012/09/onebornfree.htmlAfter listening to Simon Shack's interview, I'd say YES! They ALL were faked! I will check out Fetzer's show tomorrow, thanks again Negentropic.BTW - I'll be on Dennis Fetcho's show this Saturday, should be interesting. He does great work!
Negen, your holocaust analogy is crap. The 9/11 attack happened. The technical details of the operation are in question. Back to the original beef, calling people who say Jews did it using planes "gatekeepers" is bullshit. Smith has a great archive of historical texts, Yeager is a hammer on the holocaust, Salbuchi is excellent on economics etc. and so on.Making the no-planes issue a litmus test is divisive. It doesn't matter how it was done since it doesn't change the fact that the perpetrators are known.
So your litmus test is then whoever blurts out like a retard 'Jews did it' right ? lol! It doesn't take much to convince you of the truth or falsehood of anything then, does it ? You're a name-the-Jew litmus test gatekeeper. Who could have guessed ? As long as someone names the Jew, everything else is irrelevant? Right ? But how about this: how about if you follow what Alex Jones says and just say 'it's the elites' and not 'the Jews,' then you would have tens of millions more in your camp wouldn't you ? And why would it matter so much what ethnicity any of the criminals belonged to as long as they were arrested, right? So why are you being divisive, genius ? lol! Isn't it time you stopped being 'divisive' and went back to AJ's camp ? I have the same problem with your bullshit that you have with AJ's bullshit. Aside from naming Jews, you & AJ & Bermass agree on every aspect of 9-11 including 'remote controlled global hawk planes.' You're some renegade ! lolAs far as my 'crap' analogy goes: Neither event 'happened' in the way that people were told they 'happened.' Between 100,000 to 250,000 people of all types and not just Jews died in the holohoax from typhus, starvation, malnutrition & all other causes caused by allied bombing of the supply lines and not by any deliberate extermination plan. That's why it's a hoax, not because there were no deaths or 'nothing happened.' Plenty of things happened, just not the main hoax of 'planned extermination in death camps' that was claimed by black propaganda. The central instrument of murder in that hoax was claimed to have been 'execution gas chambers.' These were 100% proven from multiple sources to not have existed at all. What existed were delousing chambers to actually prevent people from contacting typhus and dying.What 'happened' on 9-11 is that the entire complex of the World Trade Centers - 9 buildings in all were brought down. That's all that happened as far as any 'attacks' go because you can go to New York & see that the buildings are not there, not because you saw it on TV. Everything else is a lie, including the deaths of 3000 'victims.' There are only 249 death certificates on file and not even one of those death certificates has a last address of record or autopsy on file. Not only that but most of the victims were manufactured simulations.http://www.septemberclues.info/vicsims.htmThe central instrument of murder in the 9-11 hoax is claimed to be planes flown into buildings & one that crashed in a field. They claim that the people who died were either in the planes or were trapped in the buildings above where the planes hit & could not escape in time before the buildings were demolished. It is 100% proven from multiple sources that there were no such planes used at any of the four 9-11 crash sites. Now go back to sleep. I'm sure the two brain cells in your head are already overheating. lolI'm sure your non-divisive fantasy-land of millions of dedicated cartoon anti-Jews will still be here and feeding on endless bullcrap tomorrow. ~negentropic mk xiv
The no-planes / Video Fakery is the absolute most proven aspect of 9-11 and it akmost wipes out all the other research areas where nothing even seems to even make it to the level of true “evidence.”Most of “9-11 truth movement” are gatekeepers. BUT MANY GATEKEEPERS CAN BE GATEKEEPERS WITHOUT EVEN KNOWING IT. Of course, many gatekeepers are fully conscious of their misinformation / disinformation efforts and know who they are working for and what the end game is. It is quite possible that some of the best and most sincere expositors of the Zionists’ activities are gatekeeping 9-11 truth.Look at the historical record of certain 9-11 truth groups since 9-11-01, and look at what fruit they have borne. When nothing is ever accomplished or settled and when confusion and division reign and when new starts in new directions are suddenly embarked upon, you have the desired chaos.All the confusion and non-accomplishment is particularly effective when more and more people have become mind controlled and much less able to think critically.There are some people in power who are going to derive order out of all the 9-11 “truth” chaos. Guess who. It would be those people who have always rejected Truth and wanted to destroy Truth in this world.
Well said, thanks!
Guest Mike Delaney (Prothink.org) is guest here, at around 35:00 they discuss their opinions of the "no planes at WTC" theory,9/11 Revisited with Special Guest Mike Delaney by the Truth MilitiaOn this episode of Truth Militia Radio we revisited the official 9/11 story with special guest Mike Delaney, the creator of 9/11 Missing Links. We exposed the event as an inside job perpetrated by Jewish Supremacists and Criminal Zionist elements within the United States Government. Get ready to have your mind blown!Truth Militia Radiohttp://truthmilitia.comDownload MP3, 95 mins,http://www.blogtalkradio.com/the-truth-militia/2012/09/12/911-revisited-with-special-guest-mike-delaney.mp3
Thanks, I actually listened to the program last night, great stuff! Obviously, I disagree with Mike and one of the hosts of Truth Militia, but that's OK. It was a good show.
Shack doesn't like Jayhan and co. , at all. Calls them the "Let's Troll Forums." I think they're banned now at SC forums for good. In his opinion, Jayhan was put out there to hijack & derail his pioneering vicsims research by associating it with nonsense & Ace Baker was put out there right after the first edition of September Clues came out to plagiarize and derail that also. All that Jesuit shilling Jayhan does is also not a good sign for me. Does he even pass the holohoax litmus the way Shack does ? I don't think so, I haven't seen anything. The vicsims research is also the reason Shack won't go on Fetzer's show and didn't go to the Vancouver hearings although Fetz invited him & even offered to pay his fare from Italy. Fetzer, Ace Baker & Morgan Reynolds all totally ignore Shack's vicsims research as if it didn't even exist and wasn't already independently verified by Salem News. Andrew Johnson & Judy Wood also ignore it. I even asked Ace Baker directly on you tube and didn't get an answer although previously I had sent him five or six messages on other topics and he would always answer. As soon as I brought up 'vicsims' I never heard from him again. lol Fetz was on Rick Adams yesterday bizarrely still claiming 3000 dead in the beginning of the show but when Christopher Holmes called in later in the show, he said that since No-Planes crashed anywhere on 9-11 then there could not have been anyone that died on the planes but he's CERTAIN that people died in the buildings despite not having any autopsies or bodies to prove it. He didn't mention Shack's research that found only 249 death certificates and not even one with a valid 'last address of record.' He just said those people who he's already CERTAIN lost loved ones should have autopsies performed in order to find out how these people died ! What ? What's he talking about ? Autopsies should have been done already 11 years ago! Where the hell are they ? The longer you wait the less information your autopsy will yield. Does he not know that there are no friggin autopsies or bodies ? Where are the bodies of the supposed jumpers ? They will not even allow any independent investigative journalists anywhere near the so-called 9-11 victims ! If someone wanted to interview Rachel Corrie's parents they easily could. Some alternative radio guy already did last week, it was posted on mami grizzom. I'm sure it's the same with many murder victims' families. But in the case of the so-called 9-11 victims' families they were all made completely inaccessible to anyone. ~Negentropic
Negentropic said in part..."He didn't mention Shack's research that found only 249 death certificates and not even one with a valid 'last address of record.' He just said those people who he's already CERTAIN lost loved ones should have autopsies performed in order to find out how these people died ! What ? What's he talking about ? "I will have to try and find a free archive of that show with Dr. Fetzer and Mike Adams. RBN charges for archive listening.I have to mostly agree with your comment, Negentropic. Seems kind of odd to say the families ought to get autopsies. All there are is death certificates with no good last address. There are no bodies to do autopsies on, not even 11 year old dead bodies.Shack has always raised some very good questions. The questions deserve attention and investigation. The problem is Shack has alienated anyone and everyone who could help him investigate his questions. Shack throws out some very extreme sounding assertions. They are negative claims, negative assertions, such as not one person was killed in the Twin Towers. Then Shack rails that not one person has been able to challenge his assertion(s). Shack has it all backwards. The burden of proof is on Simon Shack to prove up, at least to some reasonable degree, his claims. Nobody can prove a negative. No "scietific" study can PROVE that nobody was killed in the Twin Towers. Just because nobody can prove even one dead real person WAS killed does not mean that not one real person was killed.There just is absolutely no way to study and research Simon Shack's assertions and the only way to halfway substantiate any of his assertions is to gather some solid data and keep it in an orderly manner. I do not believe that would be possible no matter who would volunteer to do the work. But all Simon Shack does is rail against every 9-11 truth researcher accusing them of failing to successfully prove him wrong.I still say Simon Shack has some important ideas but he is bass ackwards in his whole approach. As long as Simon Shack continues in his same manner, he will be a lone voice crying in the wilderness. I guess Dr. Fetzer and Dr. Reynolds have simply decided to move on going on what they regard as the best "data" or "evidence" available at this time. If there is better data or evidence made available in the furture, such as proof of faked videos of destruction-in-progress videos, I am sure, or at least would hope, they would change their tune and start addressing the new better evidence.I have decided that there is almost zero true evidence or good solid data available at all regarding the buildings destroyed and the people killed at the World Trade Center on 9-11.Dean Hartwell has done the best work in exploring what happened to the "passengers" on the "planes."I remember we used to call Phil Jayhan and the "Lets Roll Forum" the "pod people" because for the longest time they focused on the pod on the bottom of the cartoon "plane that hit" one of the Towers.
Would you rather eat one more cheeseburger a month or have RBN network go off the air ? Come on dude ! Even at 5 bucks a month for more than 20 radio show archives, it's a steal. They didn't raise my old rates on me but I'd pay 10 bucks a month just to have Deanna Spingola's Veronica Clark audio archives alone if mami grizzom didn't carry it. Here's the Rick Adams audio with Fetzer: http://18.104.22.168/archives32/Adams/2012/09/Adams_1_091312_190000.mp3No-Planes is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt whether or not any of the so-called victims can actually be verified by an actual produced corpse or autopsy. The fact that they prevent you from verifying it because they have all the people in place to LIE to you already speaks volumes. One of the many investigative journalists that post on September Clues forums answers the question like this: I am an independent freelance journalist. Nobody really prevents you, as such. What happens is this:1) False eyewitnesses are planted by mass media, so any snooping independent researcher bumps into these, on his/her journey. Unfortunately, the testimony is completely made up.2) If you get a bit too close to the 'truth' and confront one of the police officers, judges, coroners, hospital service managers, psychiatrists, or BBC reporters involved in the hoax, they will go ballistic and try to imply that you are dangerous, 'mentally ill' or a neo-Nazi who denies the Holocaust.According to the thesis we have long explored on this board, the hospital/medical board and coroners are fully on board with the deception. If you wanted to independently verify the corpses, how could you even hope to do this? Remember the perps are used to NOBODY confronting them on their crimes - and this for con artistry that fooled millions, sometimes hundreds of millions, of media consumers!__________As for being prevented...BBC Jersey's Ryan Morrison refuses to give me the contact details of Craig de la Haye, relative of the Jersey serial killer's vicsims. I believe de la Haye is also a sim - and Morrison steadfastly denies me any evidence to prove his existence.~Negentropic MK II
I heard an interview today between Mike Delaney and Carolyn Yeager, Mike criticized John's perspective concerning the fact that there were no planes flown into buildings on 911. Well done John with taking this stance, I agree wholeheartedly. Mike Delaney claims he has all of the facts, in this case he isn't very informed nor observant. Planes do not enter buildings for one, where is the video of these planes flying through media-savvy new york's downtown? So many holes in the plane story it is ridiculous.
What's that smell ? It's the smell of....THE SLOW, SUBTLE DRIP OF SOCIETAL ROT AND DECAY :Tell a lie and tell it frequently and a great many people will believe you, particularly if you are a "figure of authority," such as your government, or a representative for that figure of authority, such as the media. The corporate controlled media.Once the media gets behind the lie, the lie becomes legend.From that point on, anyone who questions the lie is instantly labeled as a, "Conspiracy Theorist" and marginalized in the eyes of most people who have bought into the lie.And since the media, who have become the cheerleaders for the lie, have convinced most people that the term, "conspiracy theorist" is synonymous with terms such as, "delusional" or "deranged," most people will never believe you.To those who do not believe the lie, but for a variety of reasons, have chosen to keep their mouth shut and go along with the lie, they are complicit with allowing for bigger and bigger lies to plant themselves firmly into society....and so, the cancerous rot insidiously spreads throughout society.
What's that smell ? It's the smell of....THE SLOW, SUBTLE DRIP OF SOCIETAL ROT AND DECAY :Tell a lie and tell it frequently and a great many people will believe you, particularly if you are a "figure of authority," such as your government, or a representative for that figure of authority, such as the media. The corporate controlled media.Once the media gets behind the lie, the lie becomes legend.From that point on, anyone who questions the lie is instantly labeled as a, "Conspiracy Theorist" and marginalized in the eyes of most people who have bought into the lie.And since the media, who have become the cheerleaders for the lie, have convinced most people that the term, "conspiracy theorist" is synonymous with terms such as, "delusional" or "deranged," most people will never believe you.To those who do not believe the lie, but for a variety of reasons, have chosen to keep their mouth shut and go along with the lie, they are complicit in allowing for bigger and bigger lies to plant themselves firmly into society....and so, the cancerous rot insidiously spreads throughout society.
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